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	<title>Comments on: Robin Givhans defends Karl Lagerfeld because we hate what we are becoming-fat</title>
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		<title>By: Nebula</title>
		<link>http://thecurvyfashionista.mariedenee.com/2009/10/robin-givhans-defens-karl-lagerfeld-because-we-hate-what-we-are-becoming-fat/comment-page-1/#comment-634</link>
		<dc:creator>Nebula</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 18:57:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These fashion people are sick! What they are really praising is drug addiction and mental illness. The last thing they want is for everyday women to feel beautiful, the last thing they want is for us to feel good about ourselves. If we do, they risk loosing out on selling a the fantasy. This industry doesn&#039;t care about the messages of destruction they send to young girls, they love it, they thrive on it! MONSTERS! I&#039;m so sick of it! In this new age, the real women will rule! The time is up on the anorexic cokehead and I couldn&#039;t be happier!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These fashion people are sick! What they are really praising is drug addiction and mental illness. The last thing they want is for everyday women to feel beautiful, the last thing they want is for us to feel good about ourselves. If we do, they risk loosing out on selling a the fantasy. This industry doesn&#8217;t care about the messages of destruction they send to young girls, they love it, they thrive on it! MONSTERS! I&#8217;m so sick of it! In this new age, the real women will rule! The time is up on the anorexic cokehead and I couldn&#8217;t be happier!</p>
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		<title>By: Raya</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 16:22:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>High fashion is about fantasy. 

Fashion for the majority, the &quot;plus&quot; population, has traditionally had a more practical bent to it. What we are struggling with right now, at this particular point in fashion history is a longing for the majority to get a piece of that fantasy. 

There are many many &quot;plus&quot; women in America that are &quot;rich enough&quot; &quot;pretty enough,&quot; and &quot;glamorous enough&quot; to be a part of the high fashion world and those women want an attainable piece of that fantasy. 

You are right that scarcity creates demand. In the case of high fashion, unfortunately the way they choose to represent scarcity is on the bodies of probably anorexic teenagers and this also sends THE WRONG MESSAGE. 

In contrast, the Plus world has more practical goals. We want to see women who have healthier bodies. We want to see women who have a positive self image. Yet these wants are conflicting with the current high fashion ideals.  This is the tug that we are feeling. 

One possible solution would be to encourage the high fashion world to crate that scarcity / fantasy world in a different way: not use the bodies or probably anorexic teenagers, but use still-gorgeous more real-sized women in clothes and settings that are still impossibly expensive, and impractically creative as they are now. This is this compromise we are looking for and fighting for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>High fashion is about fantasy. </p>
<p>Fashion for the majority, the &#8220;plus&#8221; population, has traditionally had a more practical bent to it. What we are struggling with right now, at this particular point in fashion history is a longing for the majority to get a piece of that fantasy. </p>
<p>There are many many &#8220;plus&#8221; women in America that are &#8220;rich enough&#8221; &#8220;pretty enough,&#8221; and &#8220;glamorous enough&#8221; to be a part of the high fashion world and those women want an attainable piece of that fantasy. </p>
<p>You are right that scarcity creates demand. In the case of high fashion, unfortunately the way they choose to represent scarcity is on the bodies of probably anorexic teenagers and this also sends THE WRONG MESSAGE. </p>
<p>In contrast, the Plus world has more practical goals. We want to see women who have healthier bodies. We want to see women who have a positive self image. Yet these wants are conflicting with the current high fashion ideals.  This is the tug that we are feeling. </p>
<p>One possible solution would be to encourage the high fashion world to crate that scarcity / fantasy world in a different way: not use the bodies or probably anorexic teenagers, but use still-gorgeous more real-sized women in clothes and settings that are still impossibly expensive, and impractically creative as they are now. This is this compromise we are looking for and fighting for.</p>
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		<title>By: thefatandskinny</title>
		<link>http://thecurvyfashionista.mariedenee.com/2009/10/robin-givhans-defens-karl-lagerfeld-because-we-hate-what-we-are-becoming-fat/comment-page-1/#comment-593</link>
		<dc:creator>thefatandskinny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 18:03:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a fashion journalism student, I looked up to her. Now I see that she is just lost. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but I really don&#039;t know what to make of this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a fashion journalism student, I looked up to her. Now I see that she is just lost. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but I really don&#8217;t know what to make of this.</p>
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		<title>By: Lauren</title>
		<link>http://thecurvyfashionista.mariedenee.com/2009/10/robin-givhans-defens-karl-lagerfeld-because-we-hate-what-we-are-becoming-fat/comment-page-1/#comment-589</link>
		<dc:creator>Lauren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 23:51:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*that size restrictions and usage of size zero alienates the average woman, I mean!
.-= LaurenÂ´s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://thepocketrocket.wordpress.com/2009/10/19/interlude/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Interlude&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*that size restrictions and usage of size zero alienates the average woman, I mean!<br />
.-= LaurenÂ´s last blog ..<a href="http://thepocketrocket.wordpress.com/2009/10/19/interlude/" rel="nofollow">Interlude</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: Lauren</title>
		<link>http://thecurvyfashionista.mariedenee.com/2009/10/robin-givhans-defens-karl-lagerfeld-because-we-hate-what-we-are-becoming-fat/comment-page-1/#comment-588</link>
		<dc:creator>Lauren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 23:49:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I feel it comes down to class and wealth, at the end of the day. I think fashion always reflects the wants and needs of the elite and filthy rich. Right now, no matter what your body looks like naturally if you have the money, time and means, then you can maintain thinness at all cost. High fashion is for high money, so for most high fashion designers the argument that their size restrictions and usage of extremely thin models only is completely irrelevant. They&#039;re not designing for the average woman, they are designing for the women rich enough to maintain that particular shape. And as long as they can afford it, fashion will never change.

The best thing we can do is just look on in inspiration, and then rip the bastards off!
.-= LaurenÂ´s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://thepocketrocket.wordpress.com/2009/10/19/interlude/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Interlude&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel it comes down to class and wealth, at the end of the day. I think fashion always reflects the wants and needs of the elite and filthy rich. Right now, no matter what your body looks like naturally if you have the money, time and means, then you can maintain thinness at all cost. High fashion is for high money, so for most high fashion designers the argument that their size restrictions and usage of extremely thin models only is completely irrelevant. They&#8217;re not designing for the average woman, they are designing for the women rich enough to maintain that particular shape. And as long as they can afford it, fashion will never change.</p>
<p>The best thing we can do is just look on in inspiration, and then rip the bastards off!<br />
.-= LaurenÂ´s last blog ..<a href="http://thepocketrocket.wordpress.com/2009/10/19/interlude/" rel="nofollow">Interlude</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: Glen L Johnson</title>
		<link>http://thecurvyfashionista.mariedenee.com/2009/10/robin-givhans-defens-karl-lagerfeld-because-we-hate-what-we-are-becoming-fat/comment-page-1/#comment-587</link>
		<dc:creator>Glen L Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 23:37:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well in this case it is those that think that fashion is about fantasy that are the problem.  I don&#039;t believe for one minute that emaciated models that are about to die represent what the average person aspires to.
.-= Glen L JohnsonÂ´s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/fullfigureplus/~3/utHlxPmKcrA/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Torrid House Of Dreams Auction to Benefit the National Breast Cancer Foundation&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well in this case it is those that think that fashion is about fantasy that are the problem.  I don&#8217;t believe for one minute that emaciated models that are about to die represent what the average person aspires to.<br />
.-= Glen L JohnsonÂ´s last blog ..<a href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/fullfigureplus/~3/utHlxPmKcrA/" rel="nofollow">Torrid House Of Dreams Auction to Benefit the National Breast Cancer Foundation</a> =-.</p>
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